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		<title>By: Joanna Wall</title>
		<link>http://futurembta.com/2010/03/29/green-line-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanna Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more about the &quot;his stop not mine&quot; argument. It&#039;s so frustrating because when you look at the rest of the system, stops are spread out much more than along the Green line and it seems to work just fine there. People have just gotten too used to falling out of their apartments and on to the train. I think in an ideal world, we would see some combination of more tunnels and elevated tracks. I think the C line ought to be left the most alone due to the less urban feel of Brookline. The B line could be tunneled straight out to Packard&#039;s corner, and then run elevated until Washington St., and the E line could be tunneled until Brigham Circle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more about the &#8220;his stop not mine&#8221; argument. It&#8217;s so frustrating because when you look at the rest of the system, stops are spread out much more than along the Green line and it seems to work just fine there. People have just gotten too used to falling out of their apartments and on to the train. I think in an ideal world, we would see some combination of more tunnels and elevated tracks. I think the C line ought to be left the most alone due to the less urban feel of Brookline. The B line could be tunneled straight out to Packard&#8217;s corner, and then run elevated until Washington St., and the E line could be tunneled until Brigham Circle.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Clark</title>
		<link>http://futurembta.com/2010/03/29/green-line-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 02:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lille, France, runs heavy-rail cars that are only 26 meters long- that might solve the sharp turn problem.  There&#039;s still the issue of capacity, as each car would hold less than a single Green Line LRV, but at least dwell time would be cut down by the three doors on each Lille-model car.  I personally like elevated trains, but that may be because I don&#039;t live next to one.  As for running heavy-rail at grade level, it would be difficult but not impossible. The Brown Line in Chicago does that for the last several blocks of its route, albiet crossing far fewer major streets than the B, C, and E lines do here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lille, France, runs heavy-rail cars that are only 26 meters long- that might solve the sharp turn problem.  There&#8217;s still the issue of capacity, as each car would hold less than a single Green Line LRV, but at least dwell time would be cut down by the three doors on each Lille-model car.  I personally like elevated trains, but that may be because I don&#8217;t live next to one.  As for running heavy-rail at grade level, it would be difficult but not impossible. The Brown Line in Chicago does that for the last several blocks of its route, albiet crossing far fewer major streets than the B, C, and E lines do here.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Velazquez</title>
		<link>http://futurembta.com/2010/03/29/green-line-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Velazquez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 05:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with Mr. Gardner&#039;s proposal in principle, I&#039;m not convinced that the conversion of the Green Line from light rail to heavy rail would be as straightforward as he asserts. There are several difficult issues to consider.

(1) The Green Line has a minimum turning radius which is simply incompatible with any decently-sized heavy rolling stock, especially in the Tremont Street subway. Off the top of my head, there are hairpin turns south of Bolyston and on either side of Park Street, and the sharp turns between Science Park and North Station would certainly be a bottleneck as well. Much of the existing Green Line would require realignment in order to operate heavy rail at any kind of reasonable capacity. Not cheap.

(2) Running high-frequency heavy rail along the Green Line&#039;s grade-level rights-of-way west of Kenmore and south of Symphony would be nothing short of unacceptable. This type of rapid transit service essentially requires grade separation to be efficient and safe, whether it be elevated or subway. Elevated is ugly, subway is expensive -- pick your poison. (Amusingly, this requirement completely solves the problem of securing current ground-level stations -- by replacing them.)

(3) The E branch joins the main line at a level junction west of Copley. This setup already causes irritating delays as westbound E trolleys cross the eastbound main line track at grade; this would be a major source of congestion with frequent heavy rail, likely necessitating the construction of a flying junction, at no small cost.

(4) The option of mixed light/heavy rail service leaves much to be desired. The forced transfer at Kenmore would be incredibly unpopular among a ridership that would remember the past through-running service. This model might currently work at Ashmont, but Kenmore would be handling orders of magnitude more transfer traffic. And mixing ATC heavy rail with (presumably) manually-operated light rail between Copley and Park Street seems like a suboptimal solution. I am aware of existing systems that run trams/trolleys on mainline railways, and perhaps this service pattern would serve the Green Line well, but it&#039;s certainly not a given.

(5) Last but not least, there is the matter of rolling stock maintenance. I believe yards of varying size currently exist at Riverside, Boston College, Cleveland Circle, and Lechmere, but none of these are fit for storing or maintaining heavy rolling stock. Perhaps Riverside Yard, the current major Green Line maintenance facility, could be significantly upgraded and expanded. Or maybe a whole new railyard would have to be built. Or maybe the Green Line could be connected to another line so that its rolling stock could be maintained at Wellington Yard (Orange Line), Cabot Yard (Red Line), or Orient Heights Yard (Blue Line). None of these options are straightforward... or cheap.

I love the idea of converting the Green Line to heavy rail, but it wouldn&#039;t be easy. I can see why the MBTA is trying cheaper measures to improve service, although the results are debatable.

P.S. There are several other New York lines which I bet exceed Green Line crowding. The Queens Boulevard express and Broadway-Seventh Avenue lines come to mind. Without solid data, though, this is merely speculation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with Mr. Gardner&#8217;s proposal in principle, I&#8217;m not convinced that the conversion of the Green Line from light rail to heavy rail would be as straightforward as he asserts. There are several difficult issues to consider.</p>
<p>(1) The Green Line has a minimum turning radius which is simply incompatible with any decently-sized heavy rolling stock, especially in the Tremont Street subway. Off the top of my head, there are hairpin turns south of Bolyston and on either side of Park Street, and the sharp turns between Science Park and North Station would certainly be a bottleneck as well. Much of the existing Green Line would require realignment in order to operate heavy rail at any kind of reasonable capacity. Not cheap.</p>
<p>(2) Running high-frequency heavy rail along the Green Line&#8217;s grade-level rights-of-way west of Kenmore and south of Symphony would be nothing short of unacceptable. This type of rapid transit service essentially requires grade separation to be efficient and safe, whether it be elevated or subway. Elevated is ugly, subway is expensive &#8212; pick your poison. (Amusingly, this requirement completely solves the problem of securing current ground-level stations &#8212; by replacing them.)</p>
<p>(3) The E branch joins the main line at a level junction west of Copley. This setup already causes irritating delays as westbound E trolleys cross the eastbound main line track at grade; this would be a major source of congestion with frequent heavy rail, likely necessitating the construction of a flying junction, at no small cost.</p>
<p>(4) The option of mixed light/heavy rail service leaves much to be desired. The forced transfer at Kenmore would be incredibly unpopular among a ridership that would remember the past through-running service. This model might currently work at Ashmont, but Kenmore would be handling orders of magnitude more transfer traffic. And mixing ATC heavy rail with (presumably) manually-operated light rail between Copley and Park Street seems like a suboptimal solution. I am aware of existing systems that run trams/trolleys on mainline railways, and perhaps this service pattern would serve the Green Line well, but it&#8217;s certainly not a given.</p>
<p>(5) Last but not least, there is the matter of rolling stock maintenance. I believe yards of varying size currently exist at Riverside, Boston College, Cleveland Circle, and Lechmere, but none of these are fit for storing or maintaining heavy rolling stock. Perhaps Riverside Yard, the current major Green Line maintenance facility, could be significantly upgraded and expanded. Or maybe a whole new railyard would have to be built. Or maybe the Green Line could be connected to another line so that its rolling stock could be maintained at Wellington Yard (Orange Line), Cabot Yard (Red Line), or Orient Heights Yard (Blue Line). None of these options are straightforward&#8230; or cheap.</p>
<p>I love the idea of converting the Green Line to heavy rail, but it wouldn&#8217;t be easy. I can see why the MBTA is trying cheaper measures to improve service, although the results are debatable.</p>
<p>P.S. There are several other New York lines which I bet exceed Green Line crowding. The Queens Boulevard express and Broadway-Seventh Avenue lines come to mind. Without solid data, though, this is merely speculation.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Clark</title>
		<link>http://futurembta.com/2010/03/29/green-line-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 02:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other 2 &quot;Green Line Northwest Claws&quot; lines share as a trunk the Cambridge St. L I mentioned- one turns north on Prospect St. and continues elevated to Union Square, where it touches down and runs up the middle of Summer St, ending up in West Medford.  Where the L turns up Prospect, the other touches down in Inman Sq., runs up Beacon St., joins the Fitchburg Line Commuter Rail line just before Porter Station, following it as far as the Walden Square Apartments, where it connects with the Sullivan-Mt.Auburn Line.
As for the Green Line on the other side of downtown Boston, the D Line should be extended to Framingham, which within 20 years will have its own (shared with Natick and Ashland) transit service (my prediction).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other 2 &#8220;Green Line Northwest Claws&#8221; lines share as a trunk the Cambridge St. L I mentioned- one turns north on Prospect St. and continues elevated to Union Square, where it touches down and runs up the middle of Summer St, ending up in West Medford.  Where the L turns up Prospect, the other touches down in Inman Sq., runs up Beacon St., joins the Fitchburg Line Commuter Rail line just before Porter Station, following it as far as the Walden Square Apartments, where it connects with the Sullivan-Mt.Auburn Line.<br />
As for the Green Line on the other side of downtown Boston, the D Line should be extended to Framingham, which within 20 years will have its own (shared with Natick and Ashland) transit service (my prediction).</p>
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		<title>By: Al Clark</title>
		<link>http://futurembta.com/2010/03/29/green-line-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 02:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One idea for now: an in-street light rail/trolley line from Lechmere to Huron Tower. 3rd. St. to Broadway, Broadway to maybe Columbia, south to Harvard St., Harvard St. to Harvard Sq., a &quot;Harvard Square Fly-Over&quot; with or without a passenger stop (a steep ascent, with cogwheel assistance, to a brief elevated stretch at least 50 ft. above the square, followed by a similar descent onto Concord Ave), Concord Ave. to Fresh Pond, a &quot;Fresh Pond Underwater&quot; (water tight cars with small DMU engines could enable this), finally to come to a terminal next to Huron Tower, the pale monolith near the water&#039;s edge.  Trains would be funneled through Lechmere along with a Cambridge St. L.  Both lines would be extensions of existing Green Line routes- I&#039;m not sure which ones.  I developed this idea a long time ago and there&#039;s more to it that I&#039;ll write about later.  I made a map, which I&#039;ll try scanning, as it&#039;s marker on paper.  It includes a Green Line heavy rail subway, traveling in an arc from Sullivan Sq. Station, through Somerville under Broadway, to the Mt. Auburn Cemetery in Watertown.  It&#039;s all part of a &quot;Green Line Northwest Claws&quot; project, the ultimate intention of which is to annex Cambridge and Somerville to Boston.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One idea for now: an in-street light rail/trolley line from Lechmere to Huron Tower. 3rd. St. to Broadway, Broadway to maybe Columbia, south to Harvard St., Harvard St. to Harvard Sq., a &#8220;Harvard Square Fly-Over&#8221; with or without a passenger stop (a steep ascent, with cogwheel assistance, to a brief elevated stretch at least 50 ft. above the square, followed by a similar descent onto Concord Ave), Concord Ave. to Fresh Pond, a &#8220;Fresh Pond Underwater&#8221; (water tight cars with small DMU engines could enable this), finally to come to a terminal next to Huron Tower, the pale monolith near the water&#8217;s edge.  Trains would be funneled through Lechmere along with a Cambridge St. L.  Both lines would be extensions of existing Green Line routes- I&#8217;m not sure which ones.  I developed this idea a long time ago and there&#8217;s more to it that I&#8217;ll write about later.  I made a map, which I&#8217;ll try scanning, as it&#8217;s marker on paper.  It includes a Green Line heavy rail subway, traveling in an arc from Sullivan Sq. Station, through Somerville under Broadway, to the Mt. Auburn Cemetery in Watertown.  It&#8217;s all part of a &#8220;Green Line Northwest Claws&#8221; project, the ultimate intention of which is to annex Cambridge and Somerville to Boston.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Downing</title>
		<link>http://futurembta.com/2010/03/29/green-line-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Referring to the original article, how would pre-pay stations on the Green line above ground work/what would they look like?  With the current infrastructure, is this even feasible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Referring to the original article, how would pre-pay stations on the Green line above ground work/what would they look like?  With the current infrastructure, is this even feasible?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Downing</title>
		<link>http://futurembta.com/2010/03/29/green-line-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Referring back to the original article, how could an above ground station be designed as a pre-pay station without it being extremely easy to bypass paying the fare?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Referring back to the original article, how could an above ground station be designed as a pre-pay station without it being extremely easy to bypass paying the fare?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://futurembta.com/2010/03/29/green-line-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s my plan as well (it was the plan of the old MTA too!  They just never got the funding for it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s my plan as well (it was the plan of the old MTA too!  They just never got the funding for it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Downing</title>
		<link>http://futurembta.com/2010/03/29/green-line-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more about the &quot;his stop not mine&quot; argument.  It&#039;s so frustrating because when you look at the rest of the system, stops are spread out much more than along the Green line and it seems to work just fine there.  People have just gotten too used to falling out of their apartments and on to the train.

I think in an ideal world, we would see some combination of more tunnels and elevated tracks.  I think the C line ought to be left the most alone due to the less urban feel of Brookline.  The B line could be tunneled straight out to Packard&#039;s corner, and then run elevated until Washington St., and the E line could be tunneled until Brigham Circle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more about the &#8220;his stop not mine&#8221; argument.  It&#8217;s so frustrating because when you look at the rest of the system, stops are spread out much more than along the Green line and it seems to work just fine there.  People have just gotten too used to falling out of their apartments and on to the train.</p>
<p>I think in an ideal world, we would see some combination of more tunnels and elevated tracks.  I think the C line ought to be left the most alone due to the less urban feel of Brookline.  The B line could be tunneled straight out to Packard&#8217;s corner, and then run elevated until Washington St., and the E line could be tunneled until Brigham Circle.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://futurembta.com/2010/03/29/green-line-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been many ideas tossed out there, many which work in other places but seem to die slow costly deaths in Boston, such as traffic light delays that wait for the trains or pre-paid honor system tickets.  That would speed things up at little cost, as well as killing off a few close stations (though this always comes down to &quot;get rid of the other guys stop, not mine!&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been many ideas tossed out there, many which work in other places but seem to die slow costly deaths in Boston, such as traffic light delays that wait for the trains or pre-paid honor system tickets.  That would speed things up at little cost, as well as killing off a few close stations (though this always comes down to &#8220;get rid of the other guys stop, not mine!&#8221;)</p>
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